Indian Christian, why don't you try and learn some basic science before making an idiot of yourself in public. First lesson: Scientific theories (of which evolution by natural selection is one, whereas creationism in its many varieties are not) are NEVER proved true. Scientific theories can only be disproved.

Hovind's seminar is nothing but the usual creationist pack of lies and distortions.

Sistromo, Who is making a fool of whom? The Bible says, the Fool said there is no God. I guess that defines a fool.

It is indeed surprising that people who have half knowledge are the ones barking while the evolution experts are the ones licking their wounds being confined to their coops like nesting hens sitting on their eggs without making any noise.

Please read the book and then comment. Today no one (including evolutionists) believes in the theory of Natural selection. They have shifted to Neo-Darwinism which introduces Mutations as the mechanism for Evolution. I must say people have the bad habit of biting more than they can chew on.

On page 12 of this book, Hovind has thrown an open challenge to all people who are convinced about evolution. He has offered $2,50,000 to anyone who can come with any empirical evidence (scientific proof) for evolution. Read about it in the book, page 12 or at his site drdino.com

He has further challenged people who are ?cock sure? about evolution that they offer $ 2,50,000 for any empirical evidence against the theory of evolution. If you are one of them then please go ahead.

The very fact that none of them have dared to take him on, in either of these two cases tells its own tale. Anyway the below quote may explain the reason why.

?Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe in it only because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable.? (Renowned Evolutionist Sir Arthur Keith, the one who wrote the forward to the 100th anniversary of Darwin?s origin of the species)

I think I am going to go and cash myself some money :>

thx for the tip, here is the proof btw
http://thepiratebay.ee/torrent/4433068/Genetic_proof_of_the_Theory_of_Evolution

jesus did exist, retardo

PhXAnarchy tell me 2 things:
1. Did you parents exist?
2. Do you exist?

IndianChristian, stop dabbling in science when you clearly know nothing whatsoever about it. Leave science to the thinkers, and stick with your dogma. You're quite at liberty to believe in your "holy" book without a shred of evidence that any of it is true; but trying to "prove" it by rubbishing evolution is an insult to anyone who is prepared to actually use their brain. Even the phrase "creation science", an oxymoron if ever there was one, is an insult to the intelligence of anyone who has any.

@ all those who believe in evolution science.

There is a total of 7 seminars on these topics. Please goto www.drdino.com. I'll upload one of his seminar "Age of the earth" soon

@lodger111

Yeah science should be observed. But not forced. Ignorance can be fixed. Stupid is forever!!!

http://thepiratebay.ee/torrent/3494191/Creation_Seminar_-_Kent_Hovind_DivX

Thanks a lot ofic. These creation videos are terrific. They easily help us see the power of the Bible.

BTW, evolutionist hate Hovind with a passion. I have heard they have created nearly a hundreds anti hovind sites just because he dared to expose the lies that evolution preaches.

And the basic idea of evolution is to project that there is no God so that men can live and behave like animals taking drugs and commiting each and every sexual sin known to man.

Scripture attests to this fact that people who believe that they descended from savage apes and live like one hate the bible as much as they love thier sin. Here is what scripture says,

And this is the verdict, that the light came into the world, but people preferred darkness to light, because their works were evil.
For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come toward the light, so that his works might not be exposed. But whoever lives the truth comes to the light, so that his works may be clearly seen as done in God.
(John 3:19-21)

1) Almost 100 anti-Hovind sites? Please provide some links. Hovind is a wingnut christian zealot - no scientist would bother to take the time to rubbish this person, when he does such a good job by himself.

2) "Here is what scripture says"

Who gives a damn what scripture says? Since it's all fiction - and not very good fiction at that - it's entirely irrelevant what scripture says. Show me some SCIENCE and I'll start taking you seriously.

Oh and by the way, "sin" is an artificial concept too. I couldn't care less how much of a "sinner" you think I am, because your holy book means less than nothing to me. The sooner christianity dies out along with every other religion, the sooner the human race can achieve enlightenment.

Anti Hovind sites::::::
Search in google with words hovind creation and checkout for yourself.

Hovind is a wingnut christian zealot - no scientist would bother to take the time to rubbish this person, when he does such a good job by himself:::::::::
The fact is no scientist has the evidence for evolution to take him on. As I have said earlier, the case for evolution is getting worse and worse by the day as more and more scientific discoveries are being made. Evolution is a religion and is believed by faith just like creation.

Show me some SCIENCE and I'll start taking you seriously::::
Creation theory is religious. It is believed by faith. And same goes for Evolution theory. Evolution is believed by faith. It cannot be proved. Show me science which backs evolution and I will believe in evolution. Fact is there isnt any. They say there is evidence of evolution in Geology, Physics, Biology, ......blah blah. I am not aware of the other fields, but I can say with certainity that there is no evidence of evolution in Geology and Physics. There are no intermediate fossils found anywhere in the world. The missing link is actually a missing chain. Evolutionists have only the START and END in the evolutionary tree structure and in between is totally blank. I can also state that Man (END) evolved from a Hippo (START). But to prove it I need to show all the intermediate steps via fossils. Evolutionists say, Geology gives the evidence. Fact is, there are no such fossils and hence no evidence. Stratigraphy and paleontology are the two branches of geology which deal with this aspect. You can cross check this out. Similarly some of the basic laws of physics are aligned against Evolution. The laws of thermodynamics, Angular Momentum, etc contradicts what evolution preaches. You can cross check this out also.

Anyway if you are really a seeker after the truth, then I suggest you see Lee Strobels, The case for the Creator.
http://www.amazon.com/Case-Creator-Lee-Strobel/dp/B000ION2HG
In this dvd, Strobel shows mind-stretching discoveries from cosmology, cellular biology, DNA research, astronomy, physics, and human consciousness that all point to a creator. As a geophysicist I was impressed with the analytical techniques he used. You can also checkout the following documentaries - Privileged Planet, Unlocking the Mystery of Life , Where Does the Evidence Lead and The Prophecies of the Passion.

the sooner the human race can achieve enlightenment.::::::::::::::::
There is that statment again - enlightenment which Satan loves with all his heart. The aim of evolution is to show that Man is god and he is in control of the Universe. There is nothing called enlightenment. Desire is not the root cause of all evil on earth as buddha taught, it is sin as the jewish prophets and Jesus taught. Whether you believe in it or not is upto you. And your belief in not believing makes no difference to God. You will be judged on what God believes. It is like you are having an exam on the 30th of October. Now you may choose to disbelieve in the teacher or in the exam, but that won't change the fact that the exam is there and the teacher is going to judge you. It is you and you alone who will suffer and not the teacher or the exam.

There is no exam, no examiner, no God, and no Satan. Comparing evolution (a theory which has a considerable amount of evidence to back it up) to creationism (a belief in a thoroughly outdated 2000-year old fairy tale book) is no comparison.

If you willfully choose to disregard this, then there is nothing more I can do for you. You are wasting what life you have, and any chance at true happiness, on the promise of an "afterlife" which is complete fiction. I pity you.

"Comparing evolution (a theory which has a considerable amount of evidence to back it up) to creationism (a belief in a thoroughly outdated 2000-year old fairy tale book) is no comparison."

You sound like a stuck up cd player which keeps repeating itself. You talk of evidence? Bring it out, let us see what evidence you have. I have already presented the evidence from the Bible and the lack of evidence for evolution from science. Let us see what positive evidence you have for evolution.

"If you willfully choose to disregard this, then there is nothing more I can do for you. You are wasting what life you have, and any chance at true happiness, on the promise of an "afterlife" which is complete fiction. I pity you."

Don't pity me. Pity yourself.
In the Bible we see the same attitude from the self righteous.....they were pitying Jesus durin his crucifixion when in actual reality Jesus was being crucified for their sins.
Don't pity me, pity yourself. I have hope after the grave. You don't.

Lastly there is a saying, "When the mind is made up, no amount of evidence or proof to the contrary will suffice". This is true in your case.
When I see specimens like you I am more and more convinced about the Truth of the Bible. The Bible tells us, the scoffers will walk after their own lusts and will be willingly ignorant. (2Peter 3:3-5). How true isn't it? The scoffers will walk after their own desires (like the evolutionary theory for instance) and will be willingly ignorant...they will not even evaluate information to the contrary, but will be doubly sure that they are right about their beliefs.

I will repeat what I said earlier. It is you and you alone who will suffer and not anyone else. When you stand for the final judgement you will remember these words of mine but then it will be tooooooooooooooo late. For what does it gain a man if he gains the full world but loses his own soul?

PS: If any evolutionists is so sure that the fairy tales evolution preaches starting with "Long long ago ........... (some 20 billion years ago)......." are true, then come debate us @ http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/
This is the evolution, fairytale for grownups website which makes mockery of the myth of evolution.

?The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handiwork."

What a joke. Each and every piece of world history is based on some person/s tale. Whether it is true or false no one knows. But we assume it to be true by faith. How do you know Buddha ever existed? we believe it by faith because we trust our historians. how do you know that you are the son of your father? You believe it because of what your mother is telling; again by faith. Faith!!! that is the keyword. Everything today the world believes about the past that they have not seen with their own eyes is believed through faith. Incidentally the Bible is the ONLY DOCUMENT IN THE WORLD with loads of supporting evidence. It is believed not only through faith by trusting in the prophets who wrote them, but also because of the supporting evidence.

When Bible manuscripts are compared to other ancient writings, they stand alone as the best-preserved literary works of all antiquity. There are more than 25,000 manuscripts dating from over 2500 years back. The Bible manuscript evidence far surpasses the manuscript reliability of other ancient writings that we trust as authentic every day like Julius Caesar's The Gallic Wars (10 manuscripts remain), Pliny the Younger's Natural History (7 manuscripts), Thucydides' History (8 manuscripts), Herodotus' History (8 manuscripts), Works of Plato (7 manuscripts), Tacitus' Annals (20 manuscripts) and Homer's Iliad (643 manuscripts). William Shakespeare's 37 plays written in the 1600's have 0 manuscripts today. Yet no one will dispute their origin. Plato's fantastic tale of Atlantis is one of the most searched place of earth today with scores of people searching for it based on one man's tale.

There is no doubt about it. In real terms, the New Testament is easily the best attested ancient writing in terms of the sheer number of documents, the time span between the events and the document, and the variety of documents available to sustain or contradict it. There is nothing in ancient manuscript evidence to match such textual availability and integrity. And yet this does not stop people from pointing fingers at it. Beaware, it is the devil at work in them and he really hates it when people read and follow the teachings of the Bible.

"Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learned from experience and the light of reason?

Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although ?they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertions?.[1 Timothy 1.7]"

St. Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis, translated and annotated by John Hammond Taylor, S.J., 2 vols. (New York: Newman Press, 1982).

Evolutionists are really confusing and confused folks. They talk about using their brain, yet they say that it's not finished evolving. Ahem, aren't you the one who needs to wait a while before you can argue? Try reading the Bible sometime. Here is an ancient book that told people that body fluids could cause disease. Remember in the 18th century when they just found this out? They had no concept of microbes before and were even delivering babies with a hand that just came fresh out of a cadaver next door! Well, the Bible said this almost 4 thousand years before. Try reading Leviticus where God told His people to avoid body fluids for a 24-hour period because they are unclean (unhealthy). Yes, they didn?t have very sanitary conditions and techniques, so they had to simply avoid some stuff. They never had hand sanitizer. For example, it says for a man not to have sex with a woman who is having her period. If a man came in contact with semen, he is also unclean until the next evening. That simply meant that he ran the risk of passing microbes on to someone else since they didn?t know if he had any communicable diseases; simple methods, but effective, nonetheless.

These practices did NOT refer to anything ceremonial. The Hebrew context refers to health practices, not religious ceremonies. In addition, it even says that when you are away from home and have to defecate, you should cover it with dirt. Today, this is a fact to maintain good health and we go to many third-world countries and this is one of the first things we make sure is in place. Try reading on what Jimmy Carter did in Africa with creating sanitary techniques for folks who previously had their toilets right next to their kitchens. Get with the program and learn from an Infinite mind. There are tons more about health, science in general, sociology, and even history.

Remember when all the naysayers said that there was no such king as Nebuchadnezzar since he was only mentioned in the Bible alone? Well, go to your local college, stand up in front of a freshman history class and tell them that you don't believe in this king and see how they laugh you to scorn. It's now an established fact that he lived and was who the Bible said he was. "The fool has said in his heart that there is no God."

Lodger111: "Show me some SCIENCE and I'll start taking you seriously."

By science you mean that, for example: life can come from non-life (ever heard of the cell theory??); that "nothing" exploded and caused the big bang; that a carrot and a whale share a common ancestor; that fossils that you can only guess at passed on their genes are related to other animals; that you date the rocks by the fossils and the fossils from the rocks; that NONE of macro evolution fits with the definition of science??? I can go on for days about the lies, propaganda, and just plain stupidity you believe and masquerade as science. What I've just stated above is just a small taste of the "science" you believe. The science I believe makes perfect sense. When I see tens of thousands of clams in the closed position on top of Mt. Everest, I have to admit that this world must have been under water as the Bible says. You would probably say that clams were once able to climb mountains and now they lost that ability through evolution instead of admitting the obvious. Your science is idiocy. In fact, go and look up the very definition of science and tell me which part fits with macro evolution. NONE, that's how many. Science means, "to know" by using the five senses. Just which sense can you use to "know" evolution when you can't use ANY of the five senses to demonstrate it? You can't observe it, you can't repeat it, you can't test it, but you call it science? There is not one single shred of evidence for evolution, and since you have no evidence at all, you rely on lies and hoaxes. Try looking up how many hoaxes, lies, and misrepresentations that have been associated with evolution over the years. Try looking up virtually all the cavemen, including Lucy. Hoaxes and lies, and they?re STILL in most textbooks and science. Even Ernst Haeckel?s fabricated drawings of human embryology are STILL in textbooks today when they?ve been proven wrong over a century ago.

Maybe you'll say historical science: ahmmm....ok, how do you prove that fossils had any offspring to pass on their genes? You MUST pass on your genes in order to for something to be related to you. Historical science requires the rules of reasoning and logic, and there is simply no way to use them and explain evolution. It's simply hogwash. Even if I were NOT a Christian, I would not believe in that nonsensical rubbish. Evolution is for brainless folks. In fact, how can you trust that your brain is giving you the correct information if it's still evolving? Maybe that's your problem. Maybe you need to wait for it to evolve some more then you can reason more adequately. You know why you don't see many lawyers who are evolutionists? Because they're trained to think logically and if they become familiar with evolution, they see in two minutes that is lacks common sense, logic, and it?s not certainly science. It's a religion for the dunce and dimwitted.

Try reading the Bible sometime and quit listening to Richard Duh-kins. He is the biggest no-brainer of the bunch. I can't believe someone with a PhD can say some of the stuff he has said. Not a very bright bloke. He has even concocted the "flying spaghetti monster" foolishness to ridicule Christians, but little does he realize it actually refers to evolution and NOT creation! You see, creationists believe that animals can only produce after their "kind." That is to say, animals can only produce offspring similar to themselves, with strict limitations. Thus, there is no chance of a flying spaghetti monster to exist (assuming that one does not exist today) since it's not in existence today. Evolutionists, on the other hand, believe that new "creatures" will be formed from pre-existing ones. Thus, a flying spaghetti monster is quite possible for you. Therefore, it is not the creationists who believe in a flying spaghetti monster, but you and Mr. Duh-kins do!

@lodger111

"Yeah science should be observed. But not forced. Ignorance can be fixed. Stupid is forever!!!"

You're so right, only if God is not in the equation. Many folks realized their stupidity and gave their life to the Lord, who cured that stupidity. What are you waiting for?

Lodger111: "
Who gives a damn what scripture says? Since it's all fiction - and not very good fiction at that ."

Again, God has used the simple things of God to confound the "wise," (which is to say they're really fools, but don't know it!). Since coming off the printing press (the first book to do so), the Bible remains the best seller in more language, more countries, the most translated book, and the most bought and sold book, and the book that is responsible for more beneficence than any other book on this planet. Look at how many hospitals, orphanages, charities, inventions, (almost ALL of the branches of science), art, etc., that Christianity is responsible for? I am not sure which planet your informaiton is from.

You are truly one ungrateful person. You know what's even more? As much as you ridicule God, he still gave His life for you and keeps your heart beating. He is truly a God of love. You should be glad that God is not like man. You and every other atheists would not exist today. That's how man thinks. So, thank God He is who He says He is.

seed plz

Yeah, I'd rather believe a 2000 year old book written by child-raping genocidal maniacs (Jews, Christians and Muslims) than those godless scientists who haven't done a damn thing except cure diseases, improve nutrition in the world, and made the world a better place to live in through technology. Fuck Christianity. "Creation Science" is an oxymoron, and creationists are just plain morons!

Anyone who believes that the bible is fact should check out the torrent on Jesus Camp, then you'll understand why you believe that way.

I don't like truth, I like facts. I don't like faith, I like knowledge.

The universe is some 13.7 billion years old. We can tell this because of the cosmic microwave background, which is the afterglow of the big bang. How do we know the big bang happened? We can fucking see it. I can't see god. I can't see Jesus. I can see the fucking Big Bang.

Our species evolved from several other species that existed before us. We know this because we have a fossil record. We also know this because we can compare the embryos of different species. We also know this because we can see animals evolve through natural selection all the time. If you don't believe me, try breeding dogs. We can fucking see heredity. A pit-bull is better at staying alive than a terrier in the wild. The pit-bull survives and replicates. We can see this. We can't see Jesus. We can't see God.

I believe the dead obvious truths that we see.

This is why science textbooks don't even bother trying to disprove creation. It isn't even a valid hypothesis anymore. Creationists keep trying to keep their heads over the water by drowning evolution. Evolution can swim on its own.

Albert Einstein referred to a creator... but you're way smarter than him right?